Comments on: Kitty Swipe: A Week in Review http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/kitty-swipe-a-week-in-review/ The blog of a DPS Feral Druid Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:25:02 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: druthor http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/kitty-swipe-a-week-in-review/#comment-94 druthor Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:07:55 +0000 http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/?p=452#comment-94 18-20 doesn't sound totally rediculous to me. I have hit 16,358 with kitty swipe on trash pulls (spider wing 25 man trash pulls and little rock pulls in halls of stone) one of the tricks is getting the trinket from the oracles - with two of those equipped you really can SPAM swipe. This doesn't work on every trash pull because some don't proc the trinket and give back energy but it works often enough that you can really boost your damage significantly. 18-20 doesn’t sound totally rediculous to me. I have hit 16,358 with kitty swipe on trash pulls (spider wing 25 man trash pulls and little rock pulls in halls of stone) one of the tricks is getting the trinket from the oracles – with two of those equipped you really can SPAM swipe. This doesn’t work on every trash pull because some don’t proc the trinket and give back energy but it works often enough that you can really boost your damage significantly.

]]> By: superkathoid http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/kitty-swipe-a-week-in-review/#comment-92 superkathoid Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:54:17 +0000 http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/?p=452#comment-92 I'm not sure who was posting anonymously on forums with 18-20k DPS on trash, but that certainly wasn't me. I don't use forums, except for my own guild website, and I certainly don't ever post anonymously. Whenever I post anywhere about WoW, I include a link to this blog - after all I am trying to promote it so people can read about it. Yes, back to the point. I wrote this a week after we got "Swipe (Cat)". My views have changed (slightly) since then, which I should sum up in a new blog post soon. I’m not sure who was posting anonymously on forums with 18-20k DPS on trash, but that certainly wasn’t me. I don’t use forums, except for my own guild website, and I certainly don’t ever post anonymously. Whenever I post anywhere about WoW, I include a link to this blog – after all I am trying to promote it so people can read about it.

Yes, back to the point. I wrote this a week after we got “Swipe (Cat)”. My views have changed (slightly) since then, which I should sum up in a new blog post soon.

]]> By: yeahright http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/kitty-swipe-a-week-in-review/#comment-91 yeahright Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:25:35 +0000 http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/?p=452#comment-91 18-20k dps on trash.. i know it's fun to sound all awesome and stuff on anonymous forums, but.. don't be ridiculous. and now back to the point. kitty swipe was sorely needed - we were the ONLY class that could do almost completely negligible dps on aoe trash pulls (and all trash pulls in wotlk are aoe pulls), until swipe. now we can finally contribute, and hey, if we can even top the meters once in awhile then great. no one expects kitties to sustain that kind of aoe dps - kitty's not an aoe dps class. but to be able to do it for a few seconds is a very welcome change. i dont really think they'll nerf it because, as was mentioned, it's not sustained dps. it's more like a gimmick - but a fun one. :P 18-20k dps on trash.. i know it’s fun to sound all awesome and stuff on anonymous forums, but.. don’t be ridiculous.

and now back to the point. kitty swipe was sorely needed – we were the ONLY class that could do almost completely negligible dps on aoe trash pulls (and all trash pulls in wotlk are aoe pulls), until swipe. now we can finally contribute, and hey, if we can even top the meters once in awhile then great. no one expects kitties to sustain that kind of aoe dps – kitty’s not an aoe dps class. but to be able to do it for a few seconds is a very welcome change.

i dont really think they’ll nerf it because, as was mentioned, it’s not sustained dps. it’s more like a gimmick – but a fun one. :P

]]> By: J http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/kitty-swipe-a-week-in-review/#comment-68 J Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:19:09 +0000 http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/?p=452#comment-68 I like the competitive edge of Jaggy's post. Yeah, mages can blow out more burst damage, but 12k is pretty decent... and a heady increase on any previous kitty counts. Any kind of trash-DPS competition is just epeen, though. Uncountable groups wipe every day thanks to Meter Watchers trying to top 'Overall Data'. For me? Swipe is nice to throw in here and there, but I mainly run out my old habits. Practice boss-openers or whatever. It hasn't changed my life... and I'm usually more conscious of pulling aggro I shouldn't than I am of speeding up a 20 second fight by a second or two with my cooldowns. To each their own. ^_^ I like the competitive edge of Jaggy’s post.
Yeah, mages can blow out more burst damage, but 12k is pretty decent… and a heady increase on any previous kitty counts.

Any kind of trash-DPS competition is just epeen, though. Uncountable groups wipe every day thanks to Meter Watchers trying to top ‘Overall Data’.

For me? Swipe is nice to throw in here and there, but I mainly run out my old habits. Practice boss-openers or whatever. It hasn’t changed my life… and I’m usually more conscious of pulling aggro I shouldn’t than I am of speeding up a 20 second fight by a second or two with my cooldowns.
To each their own. ^_^

]]> By: superkathoid http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/kitty-swipe-a-week-in-review/#comment-66 superkathoid Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:17:27 +0000 http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/?p=452#comment-66 If you read my full post, I say that this is in no way sustained DPS. I also did not mean to elude to that Swipe will lead to the highest burst DPS of all classes, or that my guild is the best on the server (we've cleared everything except Malygos). Previous to 3.0.8 and the addition of Swipe (Cat) my DPS on trash pulls was extremely low because I had no AoE unless I cast Hurricane, which really did not do much damage either, and made me go OoM very quickly. Post patch, I can now happily keep up with the other DPS classes on trash, and be top if I blow my cooldowns. Trash is just trash, but the more damage done the faster we all move, so it does help the raid. Just for measure, I am almost always top 3 DPS in 25s and that is without the use of swipe, for the most part, unless it is a boss with adds. Maybe it just feels OP to me since I really do not have the time to put into playing other classes. But with the addition of one new button to press I shot from the bottom of trash DPS to the top. It certainly feels a little OP to me. If you read my full post, I say that this is in no way sustained DPS. I also did not mean to elude to that Swipe will lead to the highest burst DPS of all classes, or that my guild is the best on the server (we’ve cleared everything except Malygos).

Previous to 3.0.8 and the addition of Swipe (Cat) my DPS on trash pulls was extremely low because I had no AoE unless I cast Hurricane, which really did not do much damage either, and made me go OoM very quickly. Post patch, I can now happily keep up with the other DPS classes on trash, and be top if I blow my cooldowns.

Trash is just trash, but the more damage done the faster we all move, so it does help the raid. Just for measure, I am almost always top 3 DPS in 25s and that is without the use of swipe, for the most part, unless it is a boss with adds.

Maybe it just feels OP to me since I really do not have the time to put into playing other classes. But with the addition of one new button to press I shot from the bottom of trash DPS to the top. It certainly feels a little OP to me.

]]> By: Jaggy http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/kitty-swipe-a-week-in-review/#comment-65 Jaggy Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:58:04 +0000 http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/?p=452#comment-65 Not to burst your bubble but 12k aoe burst dps is really quite low, I seen mages, locks, yes and even shadow priest pull off consistently 18-20k aoe dps on trash in naxx 25. And further more... You have no way to substance a constant high trash aoe dps output with your limited energy pool. Unless your tank pulls small amount of trash and do it at a pretty slow pace there by giving you time to regen. Most raiding guilds have their main tank pulling the next pack of mob while the OT is still holding the last few from the last trash pack, so there is no break time and the dps can just continue though. Taking short 30secs break every few mins when everyone mana is really low and even that, does not happen often. Other classes on the otherhand are build to substain aoe dps. Sure you can compete for the first 8 secs or even 15secs using your 3min all in one button but even then it is still a great burst but poor substain tool. So while it is a huge improvement over what we use to have, it really is not at the same level as other classes that are designed for aoe. Assuming they know how to play their class of course. Not to burst your bubble but 12k aoe burst dps is really quite low, I seen mages, locks, yes and even shadow priest pull off consistently 18-20k aoe dps on trash in naxx 25. And further more… You have no way to substance a constant high trash aoe dps output with your limited energy pool. Unless your tank pulls small amount of trash and do it at a pretty slow pace there by giving you time to regen. Most raiding guilds have their main tank pulling the next pack of mob while the OT is still holding the last few from the last trash pack, so there is no break time and the dps can just continue though. Taking short 30secs break every few mins when everyone mana is really low and even that, does not happen often. Other classes on the otherhand are build to substain aoe dps. Sure you can compete for the first 8 secs or even 15secs using your 3min all in one button but even then it is still a great burst but poor substain tool. So while it is a huge improvement over what we use to have, it really is not at the same level as other classes that are designed for aoe. Assuming they know how to play their class of course.

]]> By: Toskk http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/kitty-swipe-a-week-in-review/#comment-64 Toskk Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:59:19 +0000 http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/?p=452#comment-64 Just as a quick note for that 'future post', currently the Idol of Perspicacious Attacks has absolutely zero effect on Swipe (Cat) damage.. the Idol of the Wastes doesn't proc on Swipe (Cat) hits, either. :( I've done a writeup on all Idols that do/would effect Swipe (Cat) damage, and it can be found on the druid wiki here, if you're interested: http://druid.wikispaces.com/Swipe_Cat Just as a quick note for that ‘future post’, currently the Idol of Perspicacious Attacks has absolutely zero effect on Swipe (Cat) damage.. the Idol of the Wastes doesn’t proc on Swipe (Cat) hits, either. :( I’ve done a writeup on all Idols that do/would effect Swipe (Cat) damage, and it can be found on the druid wiki here, if you’re interested:

http://druid.wikispaces.com/Swipe_Cat

]]> By: Kip http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/kitty-swipe-a-week-in-review/#comment-63 Kip Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:33:26 +0000 http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/?p=452#comment-63 This is silly. Have you played any other dps class since wrath came out? Every single class does one thing on trash pulls now: spams aoe. Now that cats finally have that ability (which we've been wanting for ages) you're saying it's OP and boring? You can't please some people... Swipe spam hits hard, yes, but I've seen Warlocks and mages pull similar numbers on trash when they bust their cooldowns. Balance druids can do the same thing if they bust theirs. What you are talking about is 15 seconds of extremely high burst using your best cooldowns on trash mobs. This is not unheard of for almost any class these days. Further, it's not like you can do nothing but hit one button to come out on top, the way you suggest (hich is what many caster classes can do by the way). You have to open with a rake or mangle, pop savage roar, swipe to low energy, tiger's fury, pop berserk, swipe more. If you remove the berserk, there's a lot of waiting in there to swipe as well. That's hardly a one-button win-mode. This is silly. Have you played any other dps class since wrath came out? Every single class does one thing on trash pulls now: spams aoe. Now that cats finally have that ability (which we’ve been wanting for ages) you’re saying it’s OP and boring? You can’t please some people…

Swipe spam hits hard, yes, but I’ve seen Warlocks and mages pull similar numbers on trash when they bust their cooldowns. Balance druids can do the same thing if they bust theirs. What you are talking about is 15 seconds of extremely high burst using your best cooldowns on trash mobs. This is not unheard of for almost any class these days.

Further, it’s not like you can do nothing but hit one button to come out on top, the way you suggest (hich is what many caster classes can do by the way). You have to open with a rake or mangle, pop savage roar, swipe to low energy, tiger’s fury, pop berserk, swipe more. If you remove the berserk, there’s a lot of waiting in there to swipe as well. That’s hardly a one-button win-mode.

]]> By: One Druid, Many Worlds » Blog Archive » The Daily Druid - Monday, February 2, 2009 http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/kitty-swipe-a-week-in-review/#comment-62 One Druid, Many Worlds » Blog Archive » The Daily Druid - Monday, February 2, 2009 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:02:15 +0000 http://druidkitty.wordpress.com/?p=452#comment-62 [...] Druid Kitty takes the new Cat AE attack Swipe for a test run into Naxxramas and clocks 12,000 dps. Will it get nerfed? DK looks at the talents to maximize Swipe’s effectiveness and explores the nerf issue. [...] [...] Druid Kitty takes the new Cat AE attack Swipe for a test run into Naxxramas and clocks 12,000 dps. Will it get nerfed? DK looks at the talents to maximize Swipe’s effectiveness and explores the nerf issue. [...]

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